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Sunday: Closed. Ross Steering Box Identification TL and TA nbtud51 Aug 9, 2018 nbtud51 Bigger Hammer Sep 25, 2013 70 Goochland, Va First Name Bill Willys Model Pickup Willys Year: 1951 Aug 9, 2018 #1 Hi, I uncovered 3 ross steering boxes complete with the steering wheels in my storage shed. A threaded shaft (found in 2WD vehicles) and a notched shaft (found in 4WD vehicles). 0000002993 00000 n
If you really want to change it a reversed Corvair box will be a pretty easy swap. 
If you are installing into a pre-1980 vehicle that has inverted flare fittings, we can install a seat kit that will allow you to thread your existing hoses. The bellcrank is mounted under the radiator to the pivot via either soft metal bushings or wear-prone caged needle bearings. Its much like the factory Ross cam and lever steering in most 71-earlier Jeeps. The bushings are soft bronze and distort when installed, so the reaming is a required step. Allis Chalmers - Fits: [ B, IB (SN: B-101 & up) ], G; Replaces: 211001, 255675, 70211001, 70255675 * Single prong, rides in worm* For Ross steering box only* 7.225" O/A length* 0.998" shaft O.D. STEERING GEAR SIDE COVER, FORD MARKED,
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Its no wonder that power or manual Saginaw conversions were and still are so popular on these old vehicles. Note the wear on our original sector shafts pins (arrows). This box has many variations! 0000082973 00000 n
Please see attached, BUT wait there are more digits? Allis Chalmers - Fits: [ B, C, CA, G, IB (With Ross Steering Box) ]; Replaces: 210475, 70210475 * To fit original tube, must sand approximately 0.005" off O.D. We zapped the zerk with some quality full-synthetic Royal Purple Ultra-Performance axle grease. Saginaw 800/808 Gearbox: 1960s-2000s GM Cars and small trucks. Its much like the factory Ross cam and lever steering in most 71-earlier Jeeps. Finally, a two-piece (left and right) tie-rod setup ensures the toe will change on every bump and dip in the road. We used some Form-a-Gasket on a new cover gasket and torqued the cover bolts to 20 lb-ft with the adjusting screw completely removed from the cover. 0
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For Gemmer steering, please view ACS200. DOWNLOAD - ZF Aftermarket Brake, Steering and Suspension Products Warranty. Our website is not just an online store. If you are installing into a pre-1980 vehicle that has inverted flare fittings, we can install a seat kit that will allow you to thread your existing hoses. BOTTOM BOLT HOLES, CJ-5, 6, M38A1, FC-150/ 170, L-6-226
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WebSteering Gear Cross-Reference Chart TRW manufactures gears and parts for hundreds of vehicle models from Freightliner, International, Kenworth, Mack, Peterbilt, Sterling and Volvo, as well as for select custom vehicles. Before using a pitman arm puller to remove the pitman arm, make sure the factory part is scribed so it can be reinstalled with the proper indexing. including Allis Chalmers, Case, Cockshutt / Co-Op, Ford,International, WebJohn Deere MT Working Ross Steering Gear Box Assembly TA122991 Antique Tractor Pre-Owned $139.99 or Best Offer +$27.50 shipping Sponsored TRW ROSS HFB642988 POWER STEERING GEAR BOX 1983-1992 INTERNATIONAL Harvester Parts Only $2,494.00 Was: $5,800.00 57% off or Best Offer +$90.00 shipping Sponsored This gearbox was found in GM trucks and SUVs up to 1986. * Primer paint* color may vary * Please fit to tractor before painting* Please verify tractor and steering box type before ordering Fits tractors with Ross steering box. 2wd Jeepster 2. early 2wd wagons and panels w/ planar. **OEM New Service Part Number TRW Reman Part Number. 0000012668 00000 n
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Ross has been in business forever and has always been known for their quality and durability. So, it measures right between 7/8 and 15/16. Technical Ross steering box identification. 0000017517 00000 n
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Every point in the system invites wear and wander. Massey Ferguson, Massey Harris, Minneapolis Moline/ Avery,Oliver / White. I know the 62's is 3 straight holes and the center for the arm to come through the frame is offset differently. The 800 has a 70mm piston and the 808 has an 80mm piston. Along with the change of fitting style in 1980, the input shaft also changed from 13/16-36 (pre-1980) to 3/4-30 after 1980. I took them apart and the ball bearings had flat spots. They are much more common and easier to find cores, so we typically sell the 3-hole version. p&^wyqhPy:WL%&cD@S :9Yu ^-w^.n8RgF#gyE.Qc/ P306f}5ZlP^dA6ELjGHCBeJB)wlHO a0q. WebThis is a guide to help you identify a Saginaw steering box and variations of each steering gearbox. 0000017958 00000 n
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You will need to know which you have. Haldex Brake Products Corp. 10930 N Pomona Avenue Kansas City, MO 64153 United States of America Phone: 1-816-891-2470 Fax: 1-816-891-9447 Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Matt Kvamme, Jan 11, 2017. We used a wire wheel to clean off the decades of accumulated dirt and grease and got to work. I assume that the stamped number is a part number or serial number. The top end cover is attached to the main body by (4) four attaching bolts. # T125996, 2 C TO C BETWEEN BOLT HOLES, HAS OPENING FOR A FILL PLUG. Naturally, it didnt work. Parker TRW Ross Hydraguide Series Steering Control Units (SCU) have a unique model number assigned to each SCU. On the other hand, the cam-and-lever setup on these vehicles is a design proven by literally 75 years of use. Remove the bellcrank as an assembly. And the expected service life of many of the components, even with regular greasing, adjusting, and maintenance, isnt much more than the lifespan of a set of modern radial tires. WebThis is a guide to help you identify a Saginaw steering box and variations of each steering gearbox. Q0~,vk7?|. well, the diameter is smaller on the TL and also on one of the TA shafts. Ross Steering Box Identification TL and TA nbtud51 Aug 9, 2018 nbtud51 Bigger Hammer Sep 25, 2013 70 Goochland, Va First Name Bill Willys Model Pickup Willys Year: 1951 Aug 9, 2018 #1 Hi, I uncovered 3 ross steering boxes complete with the steering wheels in my storage shed. This is a guide to help you identifya Saginawsteering box and variations of each steering gearbox. It uses a 3 bolt "triangle" pattern. **OEM New Service Part Number TRW Reman Part Number. FORD GPW. I'll check the shaft sizes to see if they're the same. * For tractors with Ross steering, please view ACS190. In this section you can find all our relevant TRW truck steering service literature (manuals and procedures) listed by product category. 0000023022 00000 n
We wound up buying a good take-out steering box from a buddys M38A1 just for the good worm shaft. WebGet the best deals for ross steering box parts at eBay.com. The civilian and military Jeeps make it more confusing but the units that I have did come off a wagon or truck. Service Manuals and Procedures for Steering Gears, Service Manuals and Procedures for Steering Columns, Service Manuals and Procedures for Linkages, Diagnostics and Maintenance Manuals and Procedures. 1I4a7at!j!{N(_ Ybp' 1W| >H1Ma/> l)s?M!^%hk i8?VAX9N
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The top end cover is attached to the main body by (4) four attaching bolts. I put a caliper on the shaft where it comes out of the box and it measured .911 in. We can build this gearbox with either a 12:1, 14:1 or 16:1VR, but most customers end up going with the 12:1 and a 35# valve. With the sector shaft in the center of the worm gear, we reinstalled the adjusting screw and gently seated it against the sector shaft to remove any runout. Price: $85.99. WebSteering Columns Linkages Diagnostics and Maintenance ReAX In this section you can find all our relevant TRW truck steering service literature (manuals and procedures) listed by product category. WebSteering Gear Cross-Reference Chart TRW manufactures gears and parts for hundreds of vehicle models from Freightliner, International, Kenworth, Mack, Peterbilt, Sterling and Volvo, as well as for select custom vehicles. Heres a Ross steering system all laid out and cleaned for inspection. The TA has the 2 slotted mounting holes while the TL has the 3 round mounting holes. The people at Kaiser Willys said they dont have any way to Often we can identify a power steering gear fitted to a vehicle from the make, model and year. The sub-model number is stamped into the housing, opposite the mounting side. Adjustment is critical, too tight and they won't return to center when driving. that maybe the TA was for the 2wd trucks/wagons and the TL was used on the 4wd vehicles. Look at any bearing that uses balls or rollers and you will find they are contained in a cage of some kind. # TL125999, 2 7/8 C TO C BETWEEN TOP BOLT HOLES, 3 1/8 C TO C BETWEEN
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The basic "cam and lever" type as used, for instance by AA and BB Stutz had a flat-ended taper section which engaged a flat-bottom thread worm on the shaft to the steering wheel. GEAR, ROSS # TL122992. Notice how the mounting holes are on the top side of the gearbox. If you are not a competent machinist, then you will have to employ the services of a machine shop. Since this is a pre-1980 gearbox it will have 5/8" and 11/16" SAE inverted flare fittings and use a 13/16-36 input shaft. The TL box in the 58 wagon is original to the vehicle. Then, you can remove the upper cover (shown) and carefully remove and clean all the shims for reuse. BOLT HOLES. 0000082832 00000 n
If there was a lot of side-to-side play in the sector shaft, youll want to have a new bushing pressed in and reamed to proper size by a local machine shop. There are 5 different Saginaw boxes thatLee Power Steering sells and services. The new Omix bellcrank kit (PN 18042.03), includes a new pivot, bearings, seals, and hardware. WebThe model of the steering gear can be identified by the letters and numerals stamped into the casting and may require light cleaning of the surface for them to become legible. Casting number 83 is a "small bore" GMT400. STEERING GEAR SIDE COVER, MARKED ROSS T125998, 2 C TO C BETWEEN BOLT HOLES, WITH LABEL INSIDE MARKED 2530-769-6375, G503, 10/59. I'm not saying you can't get away with putting the steering gear box back together without the cages, personally I wouldn't and haven't. 0000008625 00000 n
The HGF combines several advanced features designed to meet industry's needs for improved steering of its construction, industrial, and agricultural vehicles. Again, the older SAE gearboxes are very hard to find, so the majority of the gearboxes we sell are metric. And for whatever reason, not every old Jeep owner wants to deviate from stock. 0000016652 00000 n
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* 0.919" overall length * Fits 0.375" hole, Allis Chalmers - Fits: B (With Ross Steering Box); Replaces: 206765, 210472, 70210472 * Primer paint finish* 40-15/16" long* 1-1/2" outside diameter (OD)* Does not include bushing, Allis Chalmers - Fits: B, C; Replaces: 213325, 70213325 * Fits tractors with Ross steering box and hand start onlyFor electric start, please view ACS190 and ACS200. I deemed a rebuild of the factory steering components would be more than adequate to carry out this vehicles mission of cruising around town and driving through the mountains to bump down the occasional moderate desert trail. Please see attached PDF, or take a look at our photo for a visual description. I didnt want to drastically modify this little slice of history of which I found myself caretaker. Except for the larger housing on the TL and the mounting holes they both look exactly the same. WebPower Steering Gears. 33 0 obj
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of bushing* 1-3/8" outside diameter* 3/4" inside diameter* Nylon. Sub-model number 392S4-S6. Its much like the factory Ross cam and lever steering in most 71-earlier Jeeps. You want to insert the caged needle bearings squarely inside the bellcrank bore, making sure not to cover the grease zerk. DJ-5, 6. Got the bearings locally for pennies each. Ross Steering Box Identification TL and TA nbtud51 Aug 9, 2018 nbtud51 Bigger Hammer Sep 25, 2013 70 Goochland, Va First Name Bill Willys Model Pickup Willys Year: 1951 Aug 9, 2018 #1 Hi, I uncovered 3 ross steering boxes complete with the steering wheels in my storage shed. The other TA is slightly larger in diameter and the shaft is of a different design. The HGF combines several advanced features designed to meet industry's needs for improved steering of its construction, industrial, and agricultural vehicles. WebSteering Columns Linkages Diagnostics and Maintenance ReAX In this section you can find all our relevant TRW truck steering service literature (manuals and procedures) listed by product category. Parker TRW Ross Hydraguide Series Steering Control Units (SCU) have a unique model number assigned to each SCU. Most of our ball bearings were missing and our race was pretty hammered, so we used a new steering column bearing kit from Omix (PN 18030.02). If you measure the end cap, the 800 is roughly 3" and the 808 is just under 3.5". It came in both a 3-hole "L" and 4-hole "H" mounting pattern. This part number is stamped into the top end cover. 0000022216 00000 n
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Sunday: Closed. Ross Steering Box Identification TL and TA nbtud51 Aug 9, 2018 nbtud51 Bigger Hammer Sep 25, 2013 70 Goochland, Va First Name Bill Willys Model Pickup Willys Year: 1951 Aug 9, 2018 #1 Hi, I uncovered 3 ross steering boxes complete with the steering wheels in my storage shed. A threaded shaft (found in 2WD vehicles) and a notched shaft (found in 4WD vehicles). 0000002993 00000 n
If you really want to change it a reversed Corvair box will be a pretty easy swap. If you are installing into a pre-1980 vehicle that has inverted flare fittings, we can install a seat kit that will allow you to thread your existing hoses. The bellcrank is mounted under the radiator to the pivot via either soft metal bushings or wear-prone caged needle bearings. Its much like the factory Ross cam and lever steering in most 71-earlier Jeeps. The bushings are soft bronze and distort when installed, so the reaming is a required step. Allis Chalmers - Fits: [ B, IB (SN: B-101 & up) ], G; Replaces: 211001, 255675, 70211001, 70255675 * Single prong, rides in worm* For Ross steering box only* 7.225" O/A length* 0.998" shaft O.D. STEERING GEAR SIDE COVER, FORD MARKED,
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Its no wonder that power or manual Saginaw conversions were and still are so popular on these old vehicles. Note the wear on our original sector shafts pins (arrows). This box has many variations! 0000082973 00000 n
Please see attached, BUT wait there are more digits? Allis Chalmers - Fits: [ B, C, CA, G, IB (With Ross Steering Box) ]; Replaces: 210475, 70210475 * To fit original tube, must sand approximately 0.005" off O.D. We zapped the zerk with some quality full-synthetic Royal Purple Ultra-Performance axle grease. Saginaw 800/808 Gearbox: 1960s-2000s GM Cars and small trucks. Its much like the factory Ross cam and lever steering in most 71-earlier Jeeps. Finally, a two-piece (left and right) tie-rod setup ensures the toe will change on every bump and dip in the road. We used some Form-a-Gasket on a new cover gasket and torqued the cover bolts to 20 lb-ft with the adjusting screw completely removed from the cover. 0
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For Gemmer steering, please view ACS200. DOWNLOAD - ZF Aftermarket Brake, Steering and Suspension Products Warranty. Our website is not just an online store. If you are installing into a pre-1980 vehicle that has inverted flare fittings, we can install a seat kit that will allow you to thread your existing hoses. BOTTOM BOLT HOLES, CJ-5, 6, M38A1, FC-150/ 170, L-6-226
STEERING GEAR SIDE COVER, MARKED ROSS T125998, 2 C TO C BETWEEN BOLT HOLES, WITH LABEL INSIDE MARKED 2530-769-6375, G503, 10/59. I'm sure someone up there will be happy to take the Ross off of your hands. On V-6 models the clearances are a tad tighter, but on F-head-equipped Jeeps you should be able to remove the steering gear and column as an assembly after removing the throttle linkage, floor cover plates, and pedals. %PDF-1.5
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WebSteering Gear Cross-Reference Chart TRW manufactures gears and parts for hundreds of vehicle models from Freightliner, International, Kenworth, Mack, Peterbilt, Sterling and Volvo, as well as for select custom vehicles. Before using a pitman arm puller to remove the pitman arm, make sure the factory part is scribed so it can be reinstalled with the proper indexing. including Allis Chalmers, Case, Cockshutt / Co-Op, Ford,International, WebJohn Deere MT Working Ross Steering Gear Box Assembly TA122991 Antique Tractor Pre-Owned $139.99 or Best Offer +$27.50 shipping Sponsored TRW ROSS HFB642988 POWER STEERING GEAR BOX 1983-1992 INTERNATIONAL Harvester Parts Only $2,494.00 Was: $5,800.00 57% off or Best Offer +$90.00 shipping Sponsored This gearbox was found in GM trucks and SUVs up to 1986. * Primer paint* color may vary * Please fit to tractor before painting* Please verify tractor and steering box type before ordering Fits tractors with Ross steering box. 2wd Jeepster 2. early 2wd wagons and panels w/ planar. **OEM New Service Part Number TRW Reman Part Number. 0000012668 00000 n
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Ross has been in business forever and has always been known for their quality and durability. So, it measures right between 7/8 and 15/16. Technical Ross steering box identification. 0000017517 00000 n
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The bellcrank bearings or bushings are an area of high wear. Sometimes there will be a date code after the model code. I browsed the Omix-ADA catalog and came up with nearly all the replacement parts I needed for the job. 0
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Every point in the system invites wear and wander. Massey Ferguson, Massey Harris, Minneapolis Moline/ Avery,Oliver / White. I know the 62's is 3 straight holes and the center for the arm to come through the frame is offset differently. The 800 has a 70mm piston and the 808 has an 80mm piston. Along with the change of fitting style in 1980, the input shaft also changed from 13/16-36 (pre-1980) to 3/4-30 after 1980. I took them apart and the ball bearings had flat spots. They are much more common and easier to find cores, so we typically sell the 3-hole version. p&^wyqhPy:WL%&cD@S :9Yu ^-w^.n8RgF#gyE.Qc/ P306f}5ZlP^dA6ELjGHCBeJB)wlHO a0q. WebThis is a guide to help you identify a Saginaw steering box and variations of each steering gearbox. 0000017958 00000 n
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You will need to know which you have. Haldex Brake Products Corp. 10930 N Pomona Avenue Kansas City, MO 64153 United States of America Phone: 1-816-891-2470 Fax: 1-816-891-9447 Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Matt Kvamme, Jan 11, 2017. We used a wire wheel to clean off the decades of accumulated dirt and grease and got to work. I assume that the stamped number is a part number or serial number. The top end cover is attached to the main body by (4) four attaching bolts. # T125996, 2 C TO C BETWEEN BOLT HOLES, HAS OPENING FOR A FILL PLUG. Naturally, it didnt work. Parker TRW Ross Hydraguide Series Steering Control Units (SCU) have a unique model number assigned to each SCU. On the other hand, the cam-and-lever setup on these vehicles is a design proven by literally 75 years of use. Remove the bellcrank as an assembly. And the expected service life of many of the components, even with regular greasing, adjusting, and maintenance, isnt much more than the lifespan of a set of modern radial tires. WebThis is a guide to help you identify a Saginaw steering box and variations of each steering gearbox. Q0~,vk7?|. well, the diameter is smaller on the TL and also on one of the TA shafts. Ross Steering Box Identification TL and TA nbtud51 Aug 9, 2018 nbtud51 Bigger Hammer Sep 25, 2013 70 Goochland, Va First Name Bill Willys Model Pickup Willys Year: 1951 Aug 9, 2018 #1 Hi, I uncovered 3 ross steering boxes complete with the steering wheels in my storage shed. This is a guide to help you identifya Saginawsteering box and variations of each steering gearbox. It uses a 3 bolt "triangle" pattern. **OEM New Service Part Number TRW Reman Part Number. FORD GPW. I'll check the shaft sizes to see if they're the same. * For tractors with Ross steering, please view ACS190. In this section you can find all our relevant TRW truck steering service literature (manuals and procedures) listed by product category. 0000023022 00000 n
We wound up buying a good take-out steering box from a buddys M38A1 just for the good worm shaft. WebGet the best deals for ross steering box parts at eBay.com. The civilian and military Jeeps make it more confusing but the units that I have did come off a wagon or truck. Service Manuals and Procedures for Steering Gears, Service Manuals and Procedures for Steering Columns, Service Manuals and Procedures for Linkages, Diagnostics and Maintenance Manuals and Procedures. 1I4a7at!j!{N(_ Ybp' 1W| >H1Ma/> l)s?M!^%hk i8?VAX9N
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The top end cover is attached to the main body by (4) four attaching bolts. I put a caliper on the shaft where it comes out of the box and it measured .911 in. We can build this gearbox with either a 12:1, 14:1 or 16:1VR, but most customers end up going with the 12:1 and a 35# valve. With the sector shaft in the center of the worm gear, we reinstalled the adjusting screw and gently seated it against the sector shaft to remove any runout. Price: $85.99. WebSteering Columns Linkages Diagnostics and Maintenance ReAX In this section you can find all our relevant TRW truck steering service literature (manuals and procedures) listed by product category. WebSteering Gear Cross-Reference Chart TRW manufactures gears and parts for hundreds of vehicle models from Freightliner, International, Kenworth, Mack, Peterbilt, Sterling and Volvo, as well as for select custom vehicles. Heres a Ross steering system all laid out and cleaned for inspection. The TA has the 2 slotted mounting holes while the TL has the 3 round mounting holes. The people at Kaiser Willys said they dont have any way to Often we can identify a power steering gear fitted to a vehicle from the make, model and year. The sub-model number is stamped into the housing, opposite the mounting side. Adjustment is critical, too tight and they won't return to center when driving. that maybe the TA was for the 2wd trucks/wagons and the TL was used on the 4wd vehicles. Look at any bearing that uses balls or rollers and you will find they are contained in a cage of some kind. # TL125999, 2 7/8 C TO C BETWEEN TOP BOLT HOLES, 3 1/8 C TO C BETWEEN
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The basic "cam and lever" type as used, for instance by AA and BB Stutz had a flat-ended taper section which engaged a flat-bottom thread worm on the shaft to the steering wheel. GEAR, ROSS # TL122992. Notice how the mounting holes are on the top side of the gearbox. If you are not a competent machinist, then you will have to employ the services of a machine shop. Since this is a pre-1980 gearbox it will have 5/8" and 11/16" SAE inverted flare fittings and use a 13/16-36 input shaft. The TL box in the 58 wagon is original to the vehicle. Then, you can remove the upper cover (shown) and carefully remove and clean all the shims for reuse. BOLT HOLES. 0000082832 00000 n
If there was a lot of side-to-side play in the sector shaft, youll want to have a new bushing pressed in and reamed to proper size by a local machine shop. There are 5 different Saginaw boxes thatLee Power Steering sells and services. The new Omix bellcrank kit (PN 18042.03), includes a new pivot, bearings, seals, and hardware. WebThe model of the steering gear can be identified by the letters and numerals stamped into the casting and may require light cleaning of the surface for them to become legible. Casting number 83 is a "small bore" GMT400. STEERING GEAR SIDE COVER, MARKED ROSS T125998, 2 C TO C BETWEEN BOLT HOLES, WITH LABEL INSIDE MARKED 2530-769-6375, G503, 10/59. I'm not saying you can't get away with putting the steering gear box back together without the cages, personally I wouldn't and haven't. 0000008625 00000 n
The HGF combines several advanced features designed to meet industry's needs for improved steering of its construction, industrial, and agricultural vehicles. Again, the older SAE gearboxes are very hard to find, so the majority of the gearboxes we sell are metric. And for whatever reason, not every old Jeep owner wants to deviate from stock. 0000016652 00000 n
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* 0.919" overall length * Fits 0.375" hole, Allis Chalmers - Fits: B (With Ross Steering Box); Replaces: 206765, 210472, 70210472 * Primer paint finish* 40-15/16" long* 1-1/2" outside diameter (OD)* Does not include bushing, Allis Chalmers - Fits: B, C; Replaces: 213325, 70213325 * Fits tractors with Ross steering box and hand start onlyFor electric start, please view ACS190 and ACS200. I deemed a rebuild of the factory steering components would be more than adequate to carry out this vehicles mission of cruising around town and driving through the mountains to bump down the occasional moderate desert trail. Please see attached PDF, or take a look at our photo for a visual description. I didnt want to drastically modify this little slice of history of which I found myself caretaker. Except for the larger housing on the TL and the mounting holes they both look exactly the same. WebPower Steering Gears. 33 0 obj
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of bushing* 1-3/8" outside diameter* 3/4" inside diameter* Nylon. Sub-model number 392S4-S6. Its much like the factory Ross cam and lever steering in most 71-earlier Jeeps. You want to insert the caged needle bearings squarely inside the bellcrank bore, making sure not to cover the grease zerk. DJ-5, 6. Got the bearings locally for pennies each. Ross Steering Box Identification TL and TA nbtud51 Aug 9, 2018 nbtud51 Bigger Hammer Sep 25, 2013 70 Goochland, Va First Name Bill Willys Model Pickup Willys Year: 1951 Aug 9, 2018 #1 Hi, I uncovered 3 ross steering boxes complete with the steering wheels in my storage shed. The other TA is slightly larger in diameter and the shaft is of a different design. The HGF combines several advanced features designed to meet industry's needs for improved steering of its construction, industrial, and agricultural vehicles. WebSteering Columns Linkages Diagnostics and Maintenance ReAX In this section you can find all our relevant TRW truck steering service literature (manuals and procedures) listed by product category. Parker TRW Ross Hydraguide Series Steering Control Units (SCU) have a unique model number assigned to each SCU. Most of our ball bearings were missing and our race was pretty hammered, so we used a new steering column bearing kit from Omix (PN 18030.02). If you measure the end cap, the 800 is roughly 3" and the 808 is just under 3.5". It came in both a 3-hole "L" and 4-hole "H" mounting pattern. This part number is stamped into the top end cover. 0000022216 00000 n
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